On Hypocrisy and Hyperpartisanship
The normally mild-mannered and possibly mis-named Red Tory goes berserk over Joanne's accusation that the Left is 'intolerant'.
A few things:
1) I think it's safe to say that LifeSite is run by social conservatives, in the same way that we can presume that whatever comes out of the Council of Canadians is run by anti-market statists. But so what? Dismiss the source if it's not to your liking, but why is it a surprise that Joanne would link to articles that come from a group that shares her worldview? This is somehow surprising or unique?
2) If Joanne took down her offensive post, isn't that her way of saying "my bad"? Should she have instead left it up, so that she could be the object of scorn for being too stubborn to listen?
3) Let's be clear: there are "wingnuts" - in the sense that there are folks with extreme, politically incorrect and/or inarticulate views - that populate all political blogrolls, regardless of affiliation. If we all have to bear the blame for some of the crap that emanates from the keyboards of our fellow blogrollers, well then, I guess none of us have clean hands. But I can't help but wonder if Mr.Red Tory would get set off quite as quickly - or viciously - if it were one of his fellow Libloggers spewing forth nonsense.
4) I don't suppose red Tory sees the irony in stressing his tolerance benchmarks immediately after calling Stephen Taylor a "dumb as rocks CPC shill". For pointing out that Stephane Dion and his wife both have PhDs. And that most Canadians don't. Which means they might not "see themselves" in Stephane Dion and his wife. Yeah, that's a real wild, offensive theory.
It seems the new rule in Liblog circles is: you're not allow to take jabs at our leader. Or our policies. Or our record. I'm not exactly sure what the Liblogosphere would consider "legitimate" criticisms of all things Liberal, but I'd love to hear some examples lest I inadvertently become their next object of scorn. But maybe writing this post is bad enough, who can tell these days?
5) A little off topic, but this got me thinking: if there is one depressing consequence of the change in government, it is that the bulk of the Blogging Tories, formerly full of angst and simmering hatred, have traded places with the Libloggers to become fanatical cheerleaders of this new government. I really mean this: there are times when I read some of the lame justifications of my fellow travellers - I for one have never understood the usefulness of pretending your team is perfect - and been ashamed. And there have been times I have read the raw, overhwelming anger of Libloggers lashing out, and I understand what they are going through: because in their worldview, every "bad thing" done by Stephen Harper blinds them to anything good. Even scrolling through some of my old pre-election 2006 posts, I read reflections of myself sounding like (for the love of God!) Scott Tribe. And I don't like it one bit.
But how do we all avoid falling into these traps? Can we? Should we? We are partisans, after all. So is objectivity already off the table from the get-go? And if it is, why should any nonpartisan listen to a single word any of us have to say?
A few things:
1) I think it's safe to say that LifeSite is run by social conservatives, in the same way that we can presume that whatever comes out of the Council of Canadians is run by anti-market statists. But so what? Dismiss the source if it's not to your liking, but why is it a surprise that Joanne would link to articles that come from a group that shares her worldview? This is somehow surprising or unique?
2) If Joanne took down her offensive post, isn't that her way of saying "my bad"? Should she have instead left it up, so that she could be the object of scorn for being too stubborn to listen?
3) Let's be clear: there are "wingnuts" - in the sense that there are folks with extreme, politically incorrect and/or inarticulate views - that populate all political blogrolls, regardless of affiliation. If we all have to bear the blame for some of the crap that emanates from the keyboards of our fellow blogrollers, well then, I guess none of us have clean hands. But I can't help but wonder if Mr.Red Tory would get set off quite as quickly - or viciously - if it were one of his fellow Libloggers spewing forth nonsense.
4) I don't suppose red Tory sees the irony in stressing his tolerance benchmarks immediately after calling Stephen Taylor a "dumb as rocks CPC shill". For pointing out that Stephane Dion and his wife both have PhDs. And that most Canadians don't. Which means they might not "see themselves" in Stephane Dion and his wife. Yeah, that's a real wild, offensive theory.
It seems the new rule in Liblog circles is: you're not allow to take jabs at our leader. Or our policies. Or our record. I'm not exactly sure what the Liblogosphere would consider "legitimate" criticisms of all things Liberal, but I'd love to hear some examples lest I inadvertently become their next object of scorn. But maybe writing this post is bad enough, who can tell these days?
5) A little off topic, but this got me thinking: if there is one depressing consequence of the change in government, it is that the bulk of the Blogging Tories, formerly full of angst and simmering hatred, have traded places with the Libloggers to become fanatical cheerleaders of this new government. I really mean this: there are times when I read some of the lame justifications of my fellow travellers - I for one have never understood the usefulness of pretending your team is perfect - and been ashamed. And there have been times I have read the raw, overhwelming anger of Libloggers lashing out, and I understand what they are going through: because in their worldview, every "bad thing" done by Stephen Harper blinds them to anything good. Even scrolling through some of my old pre-election 2006 posts, I read reflections of myself sounding like (for the love of God!) Scott Tribe. And I don't like it one bit.
But how do we all avoid falling into these traps? Can we? Should we? We are partisans, after all. So is objectivity already off the table from the get-go? And if it is, why should any nonpartisan listen to a single word any of us have to say?


18 Comments:
2) If Joanne took down her offensive post, isn't that her way of saying "my bad"? Should she have instead left it up, so that she could be the object of scorn for being too stubborn to listen
I'm going to deal with this one right now, before Red Tory does it for you. I took down that post because I was tired of deleting the comments from trolls.
However, after reflection and some calmer remarks from the left (esp. Sparky, who toned down the rhetoric enough that I could actually ponder what he was saying), I was able to comprehend what was bothering them.
Having said that, I don't think what I wrote justifies being personally attacked with every sexual innuendo in the book; including personal threats and sexual assault (some comments didn't get past Comment Moderation).
Really, it's no surprise that female bloggers don't last long. You have to develop the thickest of skin.
So sorry if I offended anyone.
I'm now waiting for apologies from three bloggers.
s/b threats of sexual assault, which I believe is a criminal offense. Aaron, you might know that, being in law and all.
I think it's safe to say that LifeSite is run by social conservatives, in the same way that we can presume that whatever comes out of the Council of Canadians is run by anti-market statists.
Neither one of the those assertions is correct, so I had to stop reading there.
You might want to try again.
..or not.
Joanne...nice to see you've stopped sobbing.
Excellent article Aaron.
It is unfortunate boths sides of the political spectrum have the same afflication. Partisans that cannot believe anything bad about their leadership, and see no good on the other isde of the aisle.
I am sure this has been the case since the first political conversation. The blogoshere has made this rabidness more pronounced.
It really makes separating the wheat from the chaff a more difficult exercise.
Having said that I am a partisan Conservative. This is my first foray as a blogging entity. Previously I responding in anonymity out of laziness. I didn't realise how easy it was to start my own account.
Thanks Aaron, this post made me want to be more vocal.
Oops...
I guess I should start by doing a better job of editing myself!
Ti-guy, your ad hominens are demeaning, mostly to yourself.
Ti-guy, your ad hominens are demeaning, mostly to yourself.
I'm sure I don't care.
Dismiss the source if it's not to your liking, but why is it a surprise that Joanne would link to articles that come from a group that shares her worldview? This is somehow surprising or unique?
Umm, no, dismiss the source if not credible. It is not to my liking because it is not credible.
I love reason and logic (look at my pathetic blog, what I link to might tell you something).
And, no, it is not surprising whatsoever that someone links to a site that shares their worldview, and no-one said otherwise (that is called poisoning the well fallacy, fyi).
We take issue with the use of credulous sites used to feign credibility and objectivity.
That all clear now?
MikMik,
"It is not to my liking because it is not credible"
I'm not saying I agree with what's posted at LifeSite, but not credible by who's authority? Your's or someone else that doesn't agree with them. It's obviously a site based on religious belief, but that doesn't automatically bring discredit on any opinions expressed there.
Isn't the credibility of opinion based on "What's in the eye of the beholder"?
Sorry, I just discovered this post last night, otherwise I would have responded more promptly. I'll probably put something together over at my place.
Let's see if I can clear this up once and for all. The cached version is available here, and the following is the only opinion that I personally provided. The rest are quotes from other sources:
But the cloak of political correctness demands that we hide the evidence and concentrate on funding the results of the behaviour. In fact, it is a unspoken 'right' in our society to do whatever you want with your body, and then expect the Nanny State to pick up the tab.
I will admit to evidently not being able to explain myself properly, because a lot of people took offense and misinterpreted what I was trying to say. For that I apologize.
Whether the articles sited by Lifesite are valid or not, the fact is that there are many behaviours in this society which are allowed, and which have medical ramifications. Sometimes we bury our collective heads in the sand because it is politically incorrect to state the obvious.
This is such a contentious issue that it's difficult to discuss without people becoming very emotional.
Next time I discuss 'So-Con' issues (if I ever do again), I will attempt to use rock-solid references and carefully screen my post for several hours before hitting that "publish" button.
I really don't think I'll say anything else on this subject. If anyone wants to post more vilification, feel free.
And Aaron, thanks for the forum here, as RT and I are "dead" to each other.
s/b "cited" by Lifesite; not "sited".
(That will save RT the trouble of posting a snarky, little jab regarding spelling.)
"I took down that post because I was tired of deleting the comments from trolls."
seeing as cmments to your blog are subject to your scrutiny prior to publication, your reason for withdrawing the post in question strikes me as a lie.
KEvron
You’re nothing but a shallow hypocrite who hides behind the Victorian skirts of propriety to mask your insidious bigotry.
Line of the fucking month, that was.
"(That will save RT the trouble of posting a snarky, little jab regarding spelling.)"
and what will save us from your own?
KEvron
seeing as cmments to your blog are subject to your scrutiny prior to publication, your reason for withdrawing the post in question strikes me as a lie.
Comment moderation was put into place after deleting the post.
But say and think what you will, Kevron. You always do anyway. Don't let the truth get in your way.
"But say and think what you will, Kevron. You always do anyway."
and you don't?! spare us all, would you? sheesh.
"Don't let the truth get in your way."
lol! there's that adolescent hyperbole of yours we all know and love! the few times i've been to you blog, comments have been subject to moderation (remember when i called you a jackasss? good times....). i wasn't aware that you employ it arbitrarily. of course, you could have, as you have often done, simply re-engage comment moderation.
given your sullied history of employing orwellian measures to sanitize your blog, i still insist that your excuse is a flimsy one.
KEvron
"(some comments didn't get past Comment Moderation)."
ahem....
KEvron
"I'm now waiting for apologies from three bloggers."
i hope to god i'm one of 'em!
KEvron
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